Question for Pherdnutchiken

[Ummon]

I just read your latest post in the relicnews hw2 armada boards, the one about TLSC.

I'm wondering what's the meaning of that post. Was that supposed to be criticism towards TLSC? It seemed like you were suggesting TLSC is doing something wrong. Can you please explain that to me? Thanks anticipately,

Ummon.

[Pherdnut]

Anti TLSC? Not that I've heard, aside from Zhukie, who I hope has changed his nick and attitude by now. You guys take anyone in who shows a little passion for the game and whose not a jerk and disemminate information to everybody. What's not to love about that.


Was intended as complimentary but I could see how you could misread "What's not to love about that?" given the inherent cynicism of forums on the 'net. Apologies. I put in an edit explaining. Insult the TLSC? Zona and MVB would never let me hear the end of it and I do like your style.

[Pherdnut]

Uh.. that first paragraph is pulled directly from the post in question. Forgot the quotes.

[Ummon]

Yo Pherdnut. No problem, I just wanted to understand. Besides, criticism is a cool thing. One just needs to know when he is subject to it, and why. But as it was complimentary, eh, then...





Sidenote: Angel, mate, sorry for your comp! I'm unable to play too, as I'm waiting for the Italian version of the patch! When I bought the Italian Translation of HW2 I knew I was making a mistake, but who wants to wait 2 more weeks to play? So now not only my bentusi sound like a bunch of surgically braindeprived drunkards (the joys of dubbing), but I have to wait to play!...

[BasT]

no comment on TLSC....

[Anonymous]

Thats right, Bast. TLSC are an elite division. We would not welcome a suck ass, n00ber WHORE such as yourself :finger:

Enjoy mediocrity, bitch :alright:

When I do get back to HW2, I hope you will be considerably better than the 2 bit playa u r now :clubbed:

Love j00

Angel

[Animal|BiB]

after months and months i still haven't figured it out. So, viper and angel please answer me this:

wtf is TLSC?, they claim not to be a clan but they have forums, wear the tags, play as a team, imo that makes them a clan (dual tags anybody?)

[BasT]

First off bro,
A. I'm in TLSC,
I'm a honorary member like Momo was in Cata, or Drunk is in HW2
B. I've been in it since you were a n00bie is cata, which isnt saying much cos i owned you after i came back after a 4month been gone priod probley still would now. Since i came back the score is 2-1 to me(not counting before i left, which would make the score a joke), ya think some peeps get better but no Angel as been this shit at the game consistantly for about 2years.

"Why?", i hear you ask cos you are a :newbie: , then are are still 1 now

Love j00,
BasTpwnsAngelChiken

Animal if you were a old school cata player like me, and to an extent angel(cos old schools are generally good at the game but angel isnt so thats why hes to an extent an old schooler),
you know that TLSC are a gaming league, which in HW and Cata hosted tournies for its members. Due to this fact and the fact Chiken as been around HW community since HW1, its members are aloud join TLSC. As for why the double tags i'm sure 1 of are council can or even angel can explain that

[Pherdnut]

Wubba?

Uh.. I'm not sure why they don't consider themselves a clan. I think it's because they share all strats they develop and welcome people from other clans into their numbers. Their goal being to educate the entire community as opposed to competing with other groups.

[BlaSpHemOusChiken]

I think Pherd hit the nail on the head there, not exactly sure and all but that sounds right :drinking: Ummon, care to enlighten us or thc ouncil chicks ? :blob:

[BasT]

you know that TLSC are a gaming league, which in HW and Cata hosted tournies for its members. Due to this fact and the fact Chiken as been around HW community since HW1, its members are aloud join TLSC. As for why the double tags i'm sure 1 of are council can or even angel can explain that[/edit]
ehhhh ^^ didnt that answer it?

[shutupandshave]

Call a spade a spade.

[DruidChiken]

TLSC are a Non competitive, multi-clan gamers group.

We do not class them as a Clan specifically. So the issue of dual clanning doesnt really apply.

We have no problem with any Chiken joining them as long as TLSC stays in its current form.



Druid

[BasT]

Druid put it better then i ever could
nice 1 m8

maybe MBV should clear it up

[Ummon]

Blasphemous, I was just asking some explanation on Pherd's post, not implying the post itself wall ill-made or meant as a flame.

Now that I got the explanation, I'm completely satisfied, I hope I caused you chiken no discomfort, and if I did, my excuses.



About TLSC: well, TLSC's goal is to include as many good players as possible so that they can enjoy the game better. Ah, we also try to train promising noobies so they can improve our gaming experience. We're bent towards competitiveness, but in a friendly way. A clan? I sincerely cannot answer. I'd say no, though.

[PherdnutChiken]

Don't worry about it Ummon. We're just going way off topic. The fact that the thread is still active is just us babble-bawking as usual.. or it seems usual. I'm still a new chiken.

[zona_nukka-]

We are not a clan per se.

We have a council like a clan does, but only to deal with bad members and to discuss certain topics from other players i.e the TLSC ladder, ex-TLSC Zhukov

All in all we like to have fun :beer: :blob: :bong: :greenjump:

[Anonymous]

What's a council? :)

[shutupandshave]

we're not a clan
we just have a leadership structure, we're a bunch of players that like playing together, we wear tags, we have a website, and we have a disciplinary process.

haha

[GuerillaChiken]

we're not a clan
we just have a leadership structure, we're a bunch of players that like playing together, we wear tags, we have a website, and we have a disciplinary process.

haha

Actually Suas, not all TLSC wear tags.

And with the exception of that, what you were describing, sounds alot like the HW ladder, doesn't it? So I guess I am member of the Homeworld Ladder clan and you and I are clanmates!


BAWK!

[outlawchiken]

omg guerilla im sorry for you. being a clanmate of octo's brother and all..lololol

[shutupandshave]

ROFL OUTLAW

no wait, that wasn't funny.

sounds alot like the HW ladder, doesn't it?
No not at all.
The main difference being, that the TLSC aren't a ladder, they're a clan. The TLSC is not open to all, the ladder is. The TLSC copies exactly the structure of a clan, the ladder doesn't. You never see "ladder players vs non-ladder player" matches. The ladder players have no ladder specific tags when playing hw2.

Other than saying "we're not a clan", I dont see the difference between the TLSC and a clan, can anyone explain it to me?
They claim to be in HW1, but I NEVER saw them (and I was there a fair bit).
Apparently they organise tournaments, but I cant see any link from their website.

There seems to be much confusion...

you know that TLSC are a gaming league, which in HW and Cata hosted tournies for its members

and then

TLSC are a Non competitive, multi-clan gamers group.

and then

We're bent towards competitiveness, but in a friendly way.

Seems to me, that no one really has any idea about this.

I'm off to the TLSC boards.

[Ummon]

I had been told things about suas, and now I know those things were true!

Suas, whatever your opinion, everyone can join TLSC (you need two recommendations because friendly attitude and sportmanship are a requirement), TLSC is preparing (albeit slowly) an internal ladder, and we do not define ourselves as a clan. We are currently reorganizing a bit, and hence no tournies.

The reason why we're not a clan, is that exclusive membership IS NOT REQUIRED. We do not fear our secrets being given away, we train those who want to be trained, and try to improve the community as a whole instead than just our group.

You really seem like Octo little brother tho!

[DruidChiken]

I'm off to the TLSC boards.

Does that mean FC is going to declare war on TLSC now?


BawK!!



Druid

[shutupandshave]

If I did druid, I'd hope they would put more of a fight than the chikens did ;D

Ummmmm
So if I dont have two recommendations, I cant join?

So what things have you heard about me?

Excluding what YOUR label is for the TLSC, can you see how (especially with the 2 recommendation entry requirement) you have NO differences to a clan of unlimited size?

Edit: despite YOUR opinion, not everyone can join the clan...as you stated. If someone doesn't get the 2 recommendations, then they cant join can they...
So, if we're looking at the ladder analogy that's another difference...just because the ladder admins dont like someone, it wont mean that they ban them from the ladder... there has to be a reason.

heh reason.
"please leave reason at the door on your way in, thx"

[GuerillaChiken]

Actually, you don't pay attention do you Suas, TLSC does have a ladder so....

so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain an issue that is far beyond your realm of thinking. Ummon's explanation should be enough.

[shutupandshave]

Lol - you crack me up guerilla.

When did I ever say "tlsc do not have a ladder"

[Snake-Chiken]

:ban:

[SleetChiken]

Just have a few small questions.. Suas, why do you care so much? Secondly, is it just to stir up trouble? (because thats what it appears like) Just another bit of info for you as well Suas, you may or may not be aware, but when Octo had his ladder for cataclysm, he eventually made a rule where he would have to authorize those that wanted to join, he stated that he wanted to have a smurf free ladder. So when you bring up that ladders do not screen people you shouldn't speak for all of them.

[shutupandshave]

lol, octo had a ladder, and people actually joined it?

Sleet, I was just wondering. I find the whole thing amusing, and want clarification.
If posting reasonable and on topic questions on your boards is enough to stir up trouble.

If you notice, guerilla specifically mentioned the HW ladder. Of course some ladders are going to be different to others. Some clans are different to others.

Snake you glorious monkey, shut up.

I am still wondering what guerilla has to say about my "tlsc dont have a ladder" comment, else I am wondering what he was referring to when he said I wasn't paying attention...
Oh the fun.

[Snake-Chiken]

lol, octo had a ladder, and people actually joined it?

Sleet, I was just wondering. I find the whole thing amusing, and want clarification.
If posting reasonable and on topic questions on your boards is enough to stir up trouble.

If you notice, guerilla specifically mentioned the HW ladder. Of course some ladders are going to be different to others. Some clans are different to others.

Snake you glorious monkey, shut up.

I am still wondering what guerilla has to say about my "tlsc dont have a ladder" comment, else I am wondering what he was referring to when he said I wasn't paying attention...
Oh the fun.


am I mate ... Well its nice to know your fellow clanners are asking questions about you and if your causing trouble which you do. First with us now with TLSC. So tell me do you get off on causing friction between clans? I have nothing but respect for TLSC and MVB is a good lad and I havent seen him attack FC anywhere yet you start on them for no aparent reason? As for me being a Monkey, so be it but your a Twat!

[GuerillaChiken]

I joined Octos ladder.... :disgusted: :disgusted: :disgusted:

But it was the only Cataclysm ladder around, unfortunately he had an alterior motive for it I believe, he wanted to use his "decoder ring" on the "good" players so he could accuse them of cheating.


Suas you said they "aren't a ladder" so yes you didn't say they were a ladder. But the do HAVE a ladder and what I said still holds b/c the description you gave of TLSC is almost exactly the same as the HW ladder. I crack you up, b/c every argument you make on here I am the one that brings it crashing down. Pity.

BAWK!

[Papa Theif]

Ladders, clans, ladder vs ladder, damn this crap gets confusing. Whatever happen to downing a few beers and playing a game for fun without all the b.s of distintion.

[GuerillaChiken]

I would like to know as well Papa! Suas seems to think that he holds all the knowledge and we must follow his guidance...wow sounding awful Octorific again aren't you Suas?

Too bad he is here talking smack on TLSC when one of his star members wears their tag consistently, atleast 90% of the time I see him on.

So if TLSC is a Clan Suas, does FC allow dual membership?

[Snake-Chiken]

Ladders, clans, ladder vs ladder, damn this crap gets confusing. Whatever happen to downing a few beers and playing a game for fun without all the b.s of distintion.

dude I couldnt agree more. Nothing like a few beers........and then a few more!! One thing tough youve hit the nail on the head with this attitude Suas creates. Its just the way he is. We are all used to him and know that hes one of those guys that when he is proven wrong he still thinks he is correct. I would love HW to return to the old ways of everyone getting along and clans where not at each others throat. Thing is when the lunatic is running the aslym, it will not happen.

[Anonymous]

suas,

If you would like more info on TLSC....why not ask oli2k? After all, he is one of the council members there.

Do you even ask your own people who are in it?

TLSC, afaik, have members from Chiken, Paktu, FC and PSA among others.

Why should they have to justify their existence or how they operate to you? Are TLSC members bugging FC and asking them to explain who they are?

Personally, I am astonished that this subject has occupied your attention for more than 5 minutes.

[BasT]

:ban:

[shutupandshave]

Well its nice to know your fellow clanners are asking questions about you and if your causing trouble which you do.
Which of my "fellow clanners" are doing that snake?

I have nothing but respect for TLSC and MVB is a good lad and I havent seen him attack FC anywhere yet you start on them for no aparent reason?
Neither do I, if you read the TLSC boards, you'll see I asked them there too, and have been nothing but respectful. I think they're all great. Just when did I start on them btw? Just out of interest? I would like to know?

Suas seems to think that he holds all the knowledge and we must follow his guidance
Yup that's true.
I am all knowing.
I come here asking something to be explained to me, and I get accused of thinking I am all-knowing. /me slaps guerilla with a wad of irony and an empty insult.

So if TLSC is a Clan Suas, does FC allow dual membership?
Not on principle, but we sometimes make exceptions.

Do you even ask your own people who are in it? yeah I've been meaning too, but he's not been around. Of course I will ask him the second I see him.

Why should they have to justify their existence or how they operate to you? No one has to justify anything to me, I was merely asking.

Personally, I am astonished that this subject has occupied your attention for more than 5 minutes.
So am I...well maybe not astonished, but certainly surprised.

[Snake-Chiken]

MAte im not doing your job for you . Ask your fello clan mates.

Second your still an idiot.
Third. why do you come here? Does something make you think we like you?


:ban:

[SleetChiken]

I'm not going to bother with the silly quotes suas, but I believe you called TLSC a group that is bent on stealing other clans members, at one point? So unless you meant that in a good way (though I cant see how) I think that's called disrespect and not merely asking questions ;)

[Snake-Chiken]

Well its nice to know your fellow clanners are asking questions about you and if your causing trouble which you do.
Which of my "fellow clanners" are doing that snake?
Well let me tell you this I wasnt the only chiken who was contacted
I have nothing but respect for TLSC and MVB is a good lad and I havent seen him attack FC anywhere yet you start on them for no aparent reason?
Neither do I, if you read the TLSC boards, you'll see I asked them there too, and have been nothing but respectful. I think they're all great. Just when did I start on them btw? Just out of interest? I would like to know?
"we're not a clan
we just have a leadership structure, we're a bunch of players that like playing together, we wear tags, we have a website, and we have a disciplinary process.

haha" whats this then?just gently bashing as usual suas eh? The quick dig and hope they dont notice?

Suas seems to think that he holds all the knowledge and we must follow his guidance
Yup that's true.
I am all knowing.

No your an idiotI come here asking something to be explained to me, and I get accused of thinking I am all-knowing. /me slaps guerilla with a wad of irony and an empty insult.

So if TLSC is a Clan Suas, does FC allow dual membership?
Not on principle, but we sometimes make exceptions.
Thats interesting, so one rule for one and a new rule to fit to keep someone happy?

Do you even ask your own people who are in it? yeah I've been meaning too, but he's not been around. Of course I will ask him the second I see him. But i thought you made exceptions?

Why should they have to justify their existence or how they operate to you? No one has to justify anything to me, I was merely asking.

Personally, I am astonished that this subject has occupied your attention for more than 5 minutes.
So am I...well maybe not astonished, but certainly surprised.

[shutupandshave]

lol, you're one of the reasons I come here snake.

snake either you tell me, or we'll just assume you're lying, cos no one has any clue what you're talking about.

Sleet, www.dictionary.com
type in irony

then read

then think about it for about 4 years, then come back to me.

Dont forget to breathe inbetween, dont want you dead.

[MVB-TLSC]

Laugh

ok, for 1 -- we WERE in hw1, briefly; I played hw1 myself from when it went gold in sep '99, but didn't form TLSC until Feb '00. When cata opened up, we immediately went there -- and when I left, TLSC -- still an infant at the time -- died out in its hw division

for 2 -- we were VERY active in Cata through April '01 ... meaning I was; we had over 100 members at one time, hosted COMMUNITY-WIDE tournaments (not just inner-TLSC) which were moderated by members of TLSC (the refs); we had an inner-TLSC competitive ranking system; our goal was the improvement of a "good" players' community, excluding attitude problems and n00bs (you know what I mean, not new players, but guys who are just out to cause trouble and suck too) -- meaning, we sought only players who could improve the mutual gaming experience of each other; my CD broke in April '01, and it is my understanding that TLSC slowly died after that, not in a really "dead" sense, but in a "people who wore their tags really only wore them for my sake out of respect, and stopped" ... i.e. Bentusiguru, Angel, Bast, Lazy, etc. etc.

for 3 -- in HW2, we are very similar to what we were in cata -- we seek any multiplayer hw2 player with the interests in a positive gaming experience for him/herself and his/her teammates in mind; players with shite attitudes are excluded, because they harm the gaming experience; players with 0 potential who are ALSO out to cause problems also harm the gaming experience, and so are excluded; we are cooking up a tourney or few, which will probably be community-wide, and we have an inner-tlsc ladder/ranking system which is firing up right now

being selective in membership doesn't make us a clan, it simply makes us wise -- we don't want to have negative players joining -- the hwladder BANS players who cheat/break ladder rules/etc. ... how does this make them different from us, who simply take a preventative step and eliminate bad players from even starting in the first place

define a clan, for me, please; I haven't really heard a definition, so that TLSC can be cleared as "not" being a clan or "as" being a clan

we have a founder/ceo/commander, that's me; why am I a founder/ceo/commander? because I founded tlsc; simply a true title; reki might be considered founder/ceo/commander of hwladder, for instance

we wear tags ... this is an interesting aspect of us -- the tags are, more than anything, a way of recognizing players who follow the TLSC system -- friendly, enjoyable and highly competitive team-style gaming; players are NOT required to wear tags; they simply choose to

we have a council and disciplinary action -- so does the ladder, as stated above; Zhukov was the perfect example of how a player can appear to be perfect for the system, but fail to be at longer look, so instead of being stuck with people who lower the fun of OTHER members, we reserve the power to preserve the gaming experience of the whole by cutting off a piece of the body; gamespy cannot selectively remove harmful entities -- TLSC gives us an opportunity to do just that -- like a gamespy within a gamespy -- a gaming forum for players of similar ideals -- teamwork, competition, challenge, and fun over gayness, n00biness, and people with shite attitudes

consider our council and commander(s) to be moderators of the TLSC gaming league

I'll let you stew on that for now, and add more as necessary

but hear this -- to properly understand this, suas, you must open yourself up to the potential that you really are ASKING a question and desiring an answer, NOT just trying to prove a point by posting a question that you think cannot be sufficiently answered ... decide which you are attempting; if you really have just decided that TLSC is a clan in your book, period, and instead of saying that, you are "cleverly" asking rhetorical questions to prove your point, then we are all wasting our breath in trying to "answer" your "questions"

thanks to all chikens who stuck up

baWSabi

[BlaSpHemOusChiken]

Amazing, i'm firing up google and look for your forum! Please Suas i'd like to see your reply to this, it promises to be a good read knowing you for the bit that i do.

BAWK!

[BlaSpHemOusChiken]

Ah found it! Does TLSC need hosting btw?

"knowing you for the bit that i do" would make a good song or poem or anything. Theres lots of bullshit bubbling up in my head right now... Call it inspiration.

I've been low on the drug we call hw2 lately, someone brighten up my tailfeather. Suas you make me sad and make me write crap like this. You multi threaded animal.

[Anonymous]

[quote]

Neither do I, if you read the TLSC boards, you'll see I asked them there too, and have been nothing but respectful. I think they're all great. Just when did I start on them btw? Just out of interest? I would like to know?

TLSC, that's that hw2 clan that steals folks from other clans isn't it.

did someone say troll?

GG Suas.

[Anonymous]

Actually, I would define a clan az any group of gamerz who have a common group goal, identify themselvez az part of that group, have named their group, and have given their group itz own government.

Like it or not, we Chikenz (confederation) even fit my definition of a clan. Same goez for HEL (guild), FC (collective), TLSC (gentlemen's club?) and many other groupz who do not wish to be identified az such. Like it or not, you are a clan.

That doez not mean that it'z worth arguing over, cuz it'z definitely not. If TLSC'z goal iz only to not be known az a clan, then fine, so be it. I don't see why it should be the goal of FC to say TLSC iz a clan. It'z not important.

I wish everyone would stop being so defensive. If you call a group of gamerz a clan theze dayz everyone jumpz up at armz immediately and startz pointing fingerz at the other guy saying "NO WE'RE NOT!" while pointing out the part of their clan name that sayz they are not a clan. Sad...

[PherdnutChiken]

Agreed. Another thread that probably needs to be taken out back and shot.

[shutupandshave]

Graceful, you're full of observations and insight (no sarcasm, patronising intended) and quite often say things in other threads that describe what I think far better than I am able too..
HOWEVER

:)

People argue because this is the internet. For the most part the arguing is fun, and harmless, of course sometimes it gets a bit out of hand, but I dont think that's a reason to stop it. It's, at the lowest level, people spewing shit and learning new swear words, and at the highest level, fantastic debate with a quality and number of like minded people that you are never likely to meet in "RL" in you entire life.

[Incantation]

hmmmm for once the missguided newbie has a logical thought.....

.....weeeiiiirrrd duuudee.... :elephant:

[Anonymous]

Debate and defensiveness are two completely different thingz SAUS (oopz, waz that spelled wrong again?).

I love to debate and voice my opinion about thingz, but sometimez I see something that iz so old that I just wish people would get the hell over it. Am I a clanner or not? Big deal.

If, by some odd meazure of reckless abandon, you come up with a valid argument to support people fighting over the same old thingz over and over, then let'z hear it. Otherwize, it'z useless horseshit.

I'm so sorry (sarcastic, patronizing too) that your clanner nervez have been frayed at the edgez by my superior female intellect. How will you ever forgive me?

[Incantation]

wow, that was about as subtle as a white hot firepoker jammed straight up the @$$