When people lie to make friends...

[MoocherChiken]

When you're a unit just starting out in MW the thing you REALLY need to do is gain support of other clans and groups. It's called Public Relations. Usually this takes place in game AND on some major forums that people read. The success of a unit depends on it's ability to survive in game and in the forums.

I remember a time when Dysed told me that ELH was a great place for a person to game, they had a kid's division, and were in WMWL. From what I knew of them, they were a great unit.

Too bad some lying sack of shit has to ruin a good name.

Well we were on Gladpit, it was 8-4 we were all pretty crit, and during the exchange we critted them out and they killed all of us and score became 11-12 with 3 mins left, suddenly 3 of them disconnected simutanieously and came right back. game ended 11-12 them winning.

Its totally lame and BS rule needs changed for TD at least.

GL & GH
Resa

That is his post at MWL and I paste it in it's entirety here in case he edits it to make himself look better. Now I don't have much in response to the majority of his post; however, I take exception to the last part of his run-on sentence "we critted them out..."

For the sake of argument I will take VexX at his word that he wasn't crit when he lost the connection. However, if someone could find the zonestats for that match, find out how many times he died before he lost connection. Then do the math as to how much damage he took, then find out how much damage his mech could take and see just how damage he could have been. This could verify the valitity of VexX's assertion. It does not, however, make Resa's statement any more true.

Let's first start off with the statement that implies that the three disconnects we had were deliberate:
suddenly 3 of them disconnected simutanieously and came right back.
Let's see what the Cloak log has to say about that statement...
2005-03-20 18:51:29 - 012389F8: Gammera: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:51:57 - 012389F8: Gammera: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:52:00 - 01238790: PixieChiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:52:37 - 04AEC588: MoocherChiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:52:37 - 0123E0B8: K�r� Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:54:07 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:54:26 - 04AE64B8: Dureno: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:54:49 - 0123DF08: DruidChiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:55:07 - 0123E0B8: K�r� Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:55:24 - 01238790: PixieChiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 18:57:32 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:01:51 - 01237E28: VexX: Control Connection Lost. Protocol Half Open.
2005-03-20 19:02:08 - 04AEBF68: VexX: Player Connected.
2005-03-20 19:02:08 - 04AEBF68: VexX: Control Connection Established.
2005-03-20 19:02:10 - 04AEBF68: VexX: xxxx Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:02:12 - 04AEBF68: VexX: xxxx Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:02:13 - 04AEBF68: VexX: xxxx Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:02:21 - 01237E28: VexX: Player Disconnected.
2005-03-20 19:02:21 - 04AEBF68: VexX: xxxx Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:02:22 - 04AEBF68: VexX: xxxx Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:05:12 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:05:18 - 01237F98: Fractalsponge: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:07:53 - 01236A98: Moordenaar: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:08:02 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:08:53 - 04AEC588: MoocherChiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:11:47 - 0123F9F8: MkM_ICEMAN1: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:12:15 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:12 - 0123E0B8: K�r� Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:26 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:28 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:30 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:34 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:38 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:41 - 04AE64B8: Dureno: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:42 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:46 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:50 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:54 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:13:58 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:02 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:06 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:10 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:14 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:18 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:22 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:26 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:27 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Control Connection Lost. Protocol Half Open.
2005-03-20 19:14:27 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Control Connection Established.
2005-03-20 19:14:27 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Disconnected.
2005-03-20 19:14:57 - 04AE6DA0: Resarector: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:14:59 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Player Connected.
2005-03-20 19:14:59 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: Control Connection Established.
2005-03-20 19:15:01 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:09 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:10 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:16 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:17 - 01238378: Rene_Chiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:32 - 01238790: PixieChiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:38 - 04AE5310: L��֤: Control Connection Lost. Protocol Half Open.
2005-03-20 19:15:38 - 04AE5310: L��֤: Control Connection Established.
2005-03-20 19:15:38 - 04AE5310: L��֤: Player Disconnected.
2005-03-20 19:15:39 - 01238790: PixieChiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:39 - 01238790: PixieChiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:45 - 01238790: PixieChiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:15:45 - 01238790: PixieChiken: 70.112.144.137: Selected a Legal Mech!
2005-03-20 19:16:01 - 0123DF08: DruidChiken: Player Spawned.
2005-03-20 19:16:09 - 04AEC588: MoocherChiken: Player Spawned.

Now, the first thing you will notice is that in the middle there you will note that Rene spawned quite a few times, MANY MORE than what ELH had points for. This is obviously Rene's attempt to respawn (his computer's attempt actually). The next thing you will notice is that Rene and Pixie have the same IP. This accounts for the weirdness when Rene couldn't respawn, disconnected then reconnected and subsequently got Pixie booted off.

The other thing you will note is that VexX disconnected OVER 10 MINUTES PRIOR TO PIXIE AND RENE. Unless you are a moron or intentionally lying "disconnected simutanieously" doesn't imply a 10 minute gap between disconnects. I believe that Pixie being crit when she was disconnected is not an issue here, we acknowledge she was, and it was not an intentional disconnect.

Now, put the whole second part of the run-n in perspective:
1. They didn't "simutanieously" disconnect.
2. It can be proven that Rene wasn't crit.
3. Since they didn't disconnect "simutanieously", the statement that "we critted them all out" is false too, Rene wasn't crit, he was DEAD.
4. The implied misconduct that all three people who disconnected were crit was shown to be false.

Now Onlashoc or Resarector (whatever he likes to be called) said this:
Druid, please show me 1 inncident ELH has been in the wrong or shown any dishonorable or unfriendly play.
Easy. In the second map, where they got their asses handed to them on a silver platter with gold etching, they had a player who seemed to have map problems. This isn't too abnormal, but the "interesting" thing is that he was in a 35 ton mech. This gave ELH a tonnage advantage, which when the tonnage average is 50 tons, makes quite a bit of a difference. ELH said he would reconnect, not "he's having map problems." As a responsible leader, Onlashoc/Resarector should have, AT LEAST, notified us that his player was having map problems and if we had any problems with continuing the match is it was being played. We would have allowed the overtonnage or maybe swapped out a couple mechs, and dropped a play so we could play with the same tonnage. We don't know, ELH never gave us the chance.

I would be willing to give ELH the first drop and play the third on RubblePile if they wish to satisfy their "Honor" but I doubt they want to get their asses handed to them YET AGAIN.

I'll post more about his response to Druid's post later. He lies there too.

[BasT]

man what an stupid fool, least he coulda done was lied well!

[SmuttyChiken]

Ye old wiseman's saying -

"If you are going to lie ... then lie as close to the truth as possible"

[Gandalf]

I remember playing him awhile back in MWA in a 3v3. He blamed losing on his "noob teammates"...lol. I told him to stop being a bad sport...he challenged me to a duel. He lost. :bang:

[Maverick]

i posted something on MWL regarding this. i was nice...well mostly.... but that moron did give me a few quotes to use as my signature line in MWL. so i guess i should thank him...lol

its not the first time Res posted something aimed at CC without actually saying the name. He started a thread about player join dates a week or so ago. i guess we had a member join da roster on the 14th, the same day we challenged them for a match. after they had lost (on the 20th), Res posted about that individual being eligible for the match... what a PUSS

[BasT]

I remember playing him awhile back in MWA in a 3v3. He blamed losing on his "noob teammates"...lol. I told him to stop being a bad sport...he challenged me to a duel. He lost. :bang:

since were on the topic of lieing, in relation 2 the quoted section....

I 2 have beat him in a dual 2109871713-1.... and yes the only reason why he got that 1 kill was cos he used uber h4x which crited my super unbeatable mech, which eats other mechs for dinner in 1 shot. anyways I WON! YAY MEH!

[DysedChiken]

Mooch....only one correction....this is NOT the ELH of yesteryear. For that you can be sure.

ELH used to be the honorable best of the best at one time.

Sad to say....this is not the same team. I think if the ELH old guard I have known had seen this nonesence they would drum the dude out.

However, we have a match with the lads again that I am sure will take care of the accusations.

[Anonymous]

BAWK yeah
on the player join date...
too add comentary to that....
They even asked us to allow their player to play...and we did permit it...and we asked them the same about ours to play as well, and they agreed as well.
Seems to me this team needs to "own up" and admit they are wrong and keep their dirty laundry out of mwl.
*pixie hmpfs*

[MoocherChiken]

I figured it wasn't the ELH of yesteryear, as they announce themselves as "The NEW ELH" which is to say they probably have a bunch of morons in their clan.

On to my reason for posting again.
1st. off I never insinuated you or CC did anything. I do not recall naming anyone, you chose to put yourself in the mix.

That's a lie, especially since he used the verb "insinuated." Had said "said" instead of "insinuated" then he could have had the chance of backing up and saying "I didn't SAY that you did." Now let's see just what I'm getting at.
in·sin·u·ate
v. in·sin·u·at·ed, in·sin·u·at·ing, in·sin·u·ates
v. tr.

1. To introduce or otherwise convey (a thought, for example) gradually and insidiously. See Synonyms at suggest.
2. To introduce or insert (oneself) by subtle and artful means.


Now let's look at his first post:
had this happen to us the other day. Was pretty crappy but that team knows who they are and you know how karma work eh RP ? No it wasnt RP btw, just re-read my post.


Two things to note here:
1. He used "the other day" in his post, which is basically saying "not log ago," so let's expand this, giving him a little slack and say he means "within the last month.' Now his unit has only played 3 matches in TD so it's not hard to narrow down the teams: Us, Midnight Sons, or Undead.
2. The second sentence "Was pretty crappy..." INSINUATES, or SUGGESTS that it (the disconnect) was done on purpose, as he cites "karma" meaning "what comes around, goes around."

Another little tidbit:
Thought leavin the "Other" popular league because of all the riftraft and rule abusers would solve some problems, but it only seemed to show us new ones or old ones that were dealt with in that "Other" popular league.
He basically says that there are rule abusers at MWL and specifically in the TD ladder. This is another "insinuation" that a team he has played in the TD ladder (a whole three teams) has abused a rule.

Now you tie all this all togeather with his second post, where he names GladiatorPit as the map and almost gives the correct score, and you see that the ONLY TIME his unit has played in GladiatorPit on the TD ladder was when they played us. Thus, his DID insinuate that the team was CC and he DID insinuate that we did something wrong.

Sorry Mav, I had to steal one of those quotes from our friend Resarectum. It was too good to resist. :D

[LoneStarChiken]

:popcorn: :beer:

[VexX]

"For the sake of argument I will take VexX at his word that he wasn't crit when he lost the connection. "

I wasn't lol...last thing i saw before disconnect was a couple of ELH rushing out of their spawn (the mirage before disconnect lol). Mind you i was yet to be shot at or given off a shot. So i jumped, took a shot, then noticed no-one else was shooting...weird cause i know Kimura likes picking them cherries :P ...then my jumpjets didn't re-fill and the mech i was shooting started wandering in the open. I knew then the inevitable was about to happen....disconnect. If ya ask the guys the past couple of nights before the match i had some disconnect problems (thinking bellsouth was doing some maintenance around that time). Problem haven't reoccured since.
Soooo....after re-joining with the exact same mech...I absorbed an alpha by Res which critted me, but survived to kill him a couple of times :D and the rest of the Chikens did the rest wOOt. my 2 cents to clear the air.

[LoogieChiken]

Mooch - can I have your babies?

[Maverick]

i posted this link in the other area. so in case u missed it....

http://lethalgamerzonline.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=96&sid=656ddbd03dbc1c140d44b39e6829512c

[Anonymous]

Mooch - can I have your babies?

no he's going to haev mine first lol
then he can have yours

BAWK

[SmuttyChiken]

Mooch - can I have your babies?

no he's going to haev mine first lol
then he can have yours

BAWK

D'oh ..... can I watch? :assshaking:

[LoogieChiken]

You would not be Smutty... if you didn't watch :P BAWK!!!

[Anonymous]

D'oh ..... can I watch?

Perv :P

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[LoogieChiken]

bleh, pah and feh :P You are only doing what every other nation on this planet doe sto us :)