Dawn of War Beta

[Baglunch-Chiken]

Well, I've been playing the Dawn of War closed beta (I bought a monthly FilePlanet membership just to get in the beta) and it's pretty sweet so far. You can tell that both Relic and Games Workshop have been working on this - they are both masters of their respective fields.

I've been keeping the Chiken name alive on their GaySpy servers, and hopefully can claim the honour of being the first Chiken on DoW!

[CluckerChiken]

Gonna try it also...
Warhammer 0wnz

[Ikit_Chiken]

is that that warhammer based game 40k?

[CluckerChiken]

yup

[LoogieChiken]

first chiken on it? hmmmm :)

[PherdnutChiken]

LOL Baglunch. I suspect MechaChiken beat you to it. He works at Relic.

[BasT]

any of you get the beta?

[Baglunch-Chiken]

Dammit! Mecha works for Relic? Shit! That's awesome, though.

Ah well... SECOND Chiken on DoW!

[BasT]

when the beta is finished ya gotta give us some info :P!

[Bentusiguru]

we got about 7 ppl in beta hehehe :)

it's fricken awesome as it is, and it's still in beta form!

[CluckerChiken]

First impression... (not allowed to say much though)..

AWESOME!!

Its actually DIFFICULT to find a good strat that workx :D

Although i am not a very good tactisian (or speller), but i think that it will be very hard to find a "zerg" strat.

And the ZOOM factor...damn... i think i could count the number of hairs on the orcs back :D

[BasT]

i hate you clucker.... other then that, cluck i hear a good strat is an ork warboss rush with boys as back up. ya can get tons by 8min mark.

[CluckerChiken]

Hate ya right back BasT :P

[BasT]

yeah but your dutch HAHA!

[CluckerChiken]

yeah but your dutch HAHA!

*smokes another one* :bong:

So?

[PherdnutChiken]

This is very good news. I'd like to see Relic pull a major financial success. Anyone know the current projected release date or are they still being vague about it?

[BasT]

dont know, demo isnt even thought about so i guess after beta it will be released i'd were looking @ a christmas release!

[Von Doom BC]

All glory to chaos!


This game is awsome, I was wating for this games since i stoped to play the teable top game, When do you guys play? maybe we can hook up for some noob killing? The bloodthirster owns!!


All glory to chaos!

[BasT]

i play
msn = bastchiken@msn.com

add me next time you see me w/o my away sign on pm and we do some killing!

btw glory to the emperor, may we give r lives in his service!

[Forsaken_Entity]

Avatar is probably my fav so far...Farseer pwns but she unintentionally pwns.

I'm on sometimes as well, [TLSC]Forsaken

[Ikit_Chiken]

How do you kill an Avatar? and what is best vs orks when you are space marine?

I have been playing since yesterday and i think i have a good start. but from the 20 games i played i think i only won 8 and i lost the last 6 games i played........

[Forsaken_Entity]

You kill an avatar with difficulty...try not to let them get one, it has a rediculously long tech-tree. I've never really been up against one and won (usually if they have one it means I've already lost anyway), however I can say, keep it away from melee...micro your units to always engage in ranged.


SM use bolters against Ork early game, I'm not sure endgame, not many people I know play ork...

[Von Doom BC]

SM vs Orks is Heavy Bolters and get ready for some CC combat with ur FC. Predetor tanks with dual las cannons and Heavy bolters on the side usaly to the trick....Thank god the orks dont have zat cannons...ZzzzAaaTttt ur tank is gone....

[Ikit_Chiken]

And again 3 losses :D god i suck.......

Played with orks. They are funny.... and played with chaos..

aaah wel gonna play again

[BasT]

3losses, i got schooled by benny first game i played, so i learned a few things marines need to power plants if possible as when you tech to dreads ya need it big time!

[Justice-TLSC]

tch tch, don't violate the NDA von doom.

I'm gonna get me a cable connection on Tuesday so I can download the open beta and play it ... see all you chikens online then

:P

[Forsaken_Entity]

tch tch Justice, the NDA doesn't apply anymore. You can talk about the game all you want, you just can't post screenshots.

[LazyChiken]

ARGH! I missed the beta start! OMG!

Damn, I hope that I will be able to catch up with you guys. After all, I has been Poland warhammer champion few times, if tabletop tricks still work... ph34r me :).

EDIT: any way to get into beta? Is it closed or open right now? <wink wink>

[Ikit_Chiken]

Wel thank god the Dawn of war is nothing like the table top game.

The table top games gets fucked up bij rule reading beardy players. They create army's that are practicaly unbeatable!! It takes the fun out of the game.

No shit items and stuf in the online game thank god!!!

Stil it is handy if you know what your enemy units can do!

[LazyChiken]

Mhm... I played both "beardy" way and "friendly" way. Cheese method has been used in tournaments and between few close friends who happened to be rather good in this game too. We just tried to win, and we had hell of a fun beating the opponent, or being beaten by his new well thought out combo. Friendly way... was for casual gaming, shop tabletop etc.

EDIT: found beta info. Damn, judging by my luck I will be waiting like 10 days for my CD-Key :f If their rule "first come, first serve" doesnt mean that I will not be able to try it at all.

/me kicks my own butt for being busy with RL and missing another Relic's strategy

[LoogieChiken]

Good to see you interested in Dawn of War Lazy, was just saying to Glad yesterday that I thought DoW might being you back :)

Mecha was the king of cheesey playing in 40k and epic games round our house :).... he used a squat epic army... what more can i say :P except Lifta Droppa and kustom forcefield....... WAAAAARGH!!!!

[Ikit_Chiken]

Looks like Dawn of War might become a game with a big Chiken playing comunity.

Chiken domination!!

Nice!!!!!

[LazyChiken]

BAWK! Good to be at home again :). And if most chikens like DoW already, there is serious possibility that we will try to rejuvinate our "conquer the universe" goal of chikenhood. As always, starting from computer game, but at least its something ;).

Oh, speaking about games, I always planned to give 3 titles serious try:

- HL2
- Dawn of War
- WoW

Cannot wait...

[BasT]

well lazy get on MSN and get that connection upgraded f00!

[Von Doom BC]

Hey Lazy, long time no see...

[DrunkenOne]

BAWK! Good to be at home again :). And if most chikens like DoW already, there is serious possibility that we will try to rejuvinate our "conquer the universe" goal of chikenhood. As always, starting from computer game, but at least its something ;).

Oh, speaking about games, I always planned to give 3 titles serious try:

- HL2
- Dawn of War
- WoW

Cannot wait...

OMG Lazy is alive?!?!??!?!

DoW is ok. Not liking it all too much. I've got some major issues with the game which seem as though they won't be adressed before retail, and are potential gamebreakers IMO.

PS: Could someone edit or change my fucking name from DrunkChiken to DrunkenOne or Drunk? It wont let me re-register since my email is already used.

[CluckerChiken]

Drunkchiken?.. who? :D

And WHICH issues are you talking about DrunkenOne? :)

[Ikit_Chiken]

I think lots is wrong i just can not tell what yet

[LazyChiken]

Yep, long time no see... but at least I am still alive.

I played a little DoW yesterday, I am both excited and dissapointed.

Yay factor:

- a lot of people playing
- wh40k3 theme
- simple mechanics
- familiar faces
- I won 3 out of 4 1v1
- possiblity to win by strategy not only click fest

Nay factor:

- worse graphic / sound than I expected (more like CC than WC3)
- worse terrain usage than I expected
- less option available
- simple mechanics (yes its both yay and nay)
- a lot of bugs that shouldnt even be in beta
- lack of innovative gameplay *

* About this last point. I was thinking, what does this game has that I didnt see in other RTS titles? In comparision to, for example, WC3, it actually lacks many elements (items, mobs, experience, etc.) while offering only few things more (squad based units, fight stances). Biggest "nay" in this case is a fact, that while having lots of elements less than it counterparts, it do not offer (at least IMO) sufficient amount of innovative elements (which made HW such a great game IMO). Still, its a good game, and I will try it some more before making final judgement...

[BasT]

yes i did notice the lack of units gaining exp *sob* what would the veterens say....

as for the lack of items, i think that falls into simple game mechanics, but unlike WC3 where would ya get these items in the middle of a battlefield? run to the shop that hasnt been blown up and pick up a few?

As for bugs and balancing issues, isnt this what the open beta is about? so guys it would be a time to report them so that retail is a bugless game, i think the thing that made WC3 so great is that is was a well balanced game!

[Ikit_Chiken]

Since it is a gamesworkshop game i think they will created a lot of extra units and changes(items,expierence enzo) in the game as it grows during time...

Gamesworkshop will make sure this game succeeds.

[Fanatic]

Well BasT, a beta is to find problems before releasing the product. A Beta should not have any obvious bugs in it that you can find in the first hour or so. Unless the developers informed the testers about certain known issues, like how to install or configure the game properly as an intall package might need still some work.

A final beta however can not have any unfinshed parts in it as it is the final test before releasing the product. They might still do some internal testing after that, just to fix found installation issues and maybe some artwork, but no code changes.

Me myself am not much of a test person, I rather like to avoid obvious mistakes in the first place by being thorrow and knowing exactly what is required. Which is very hard for most game devs as the time pressure they are under is more often then not, quite insane and specs are invented along the way.

Ok, end of rambling.....I will wait before installing this game. Then complain about the issues I discover in the first hour after installing it :). A lot of the issues will most likely be related inadeqate control of units and such, which always happens in games like this. Interface design is an art in itself and the designs for this are decided upon way before even the first beta, so any user input on this is useless anyway. However, it will make or break a game. No one likes a game where he needs control of units to accomplish things, but cannnot have it due to stupid control mechanismns. Prime example is the latest C&C, which is basicly unplayable garbage.

If any of you experienced problems on that part of this game, you can baslicly say the game will fail if it does not sell on name only the first weeks!

[LoogieChiken]

Gotta love people who play games ro are into IT... the glass is always half empty...

You hear that new song by X? Yeah, it sucks.
You see that new film with Y in it? Yeah, it sucks.
You play that new game Z? Yeah, it sucks.

[Fanatic]

Shutup Loogie, you suck to :)!

[DrunkenOne]

Yep, long time no see... but at least I am still alive.

I played a little DoW yesterday, I am both excited and dissapointed.

Yay factor:

- a lot of people playing
- wh40k3 theme
- simple mechanics
- familiar faces
- I won 3 out of 4 1v1
- possiblity to win by strategy not only click fest

Nay factor:

- worse graphic / sound than I expected (more like CC than WC3)
- worse terrain usage than I expected
- less option available
- simple mechanics (yes its both yay and nay)
- a lot of bugs that shouldnt even be in beta
- lack of innovative gameplay *

* About this last point. I was thinking, what does this game has that I didnt see in other RTS titles? In comparision to, for example, WC3, it actually lacks many elements (items, mobs, experience, etc.) while offering only few things more (squad based units, fight stances). Biggest "nay" in this case is a fact, that while having lots of elements less than it counterparts, it do not offer (at least IMO) sufficient amount of innovative elements (which made HW such a great game IMO). Still, its a good game, and I will try it some more before making final judgement...

These are some of the issues I see. Innovation is a big one... I feel a lot of the times I'm playing a WC3 mod. I mean besides the fact that you are using squads instead of individual units... it feels like I played this game 3 years ago. Powerful heroes with abilities? "HQ" style buildings which much tech up to higher tech levels to get more powerful units? I linear teching path? Similar 3d engines?

There also isn't much use for in battle tactics... flanking/hitting from rear doesn't cause huge enemy morale hits, so why do it? Many battles, especially in 1v1, are simple "Line up Revolutionary war style and slug it out." Sure, theres jumping assault units, teleporters, etc, but the line-em-up-and-shoot is the basic fight. This is also cause in part by horrible map design, as most of the maps consist of narrow streets which give no area to manuever (even though theres no point manuevering anyways). I realize this is fluff, as tt battles take place in cities and such, but it breaks the game for me. I love manuevering, microing, and being tactical with my units, using 1 unit to distract and flanking with another. Theres no reason to do that in DoW.

Also, there is a lack of change in playstyles between players, which I hope will change in retail. Currently, you know almost 95% of the time what an enemy player will do. SM will go scouts->marines->dreads->preds/terms, eldar will go guardians->farseer->reapers/warpspiders->prisms, etc. It takes a lot of the fun out of the game when you can plan out how the entire game will be played before you start just by seeing your opponents race.

Relic_OMO also raises a ton of issues, namely the fact of how units quickly become obsolete as you raise in tech levels. Why would you build tact squads when you could build terms? Why build landspeeders if you can build dreads? Why build eldar aspect warriors when you can build plats or fire prisms? Etc etc etc. In HW2, even at the end of the game, some players are still swarming fighters/vettes. But have you ever seen a player spamming guardians end game? In GC2, all units have a place in an army, be it a 150 AP cost light infantry or a 2000 AP cost ravager. But how many late game DoW armies have assault marines? Assault terms=assault marines on crack. Terms=marines on crack.

LOS and scouting isn't well implemented. Cloaking can be easilly abused.

Finally the camera. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.

GC2 had a lot of innovations. I wish DoW had included a lot of the things.
1)Hovering mouse over a unit shows its LoS and its firing range/arc in every direction. I would give my left nut to have this in DoW.
2)The GC2 camera. Perfection.
3)The GC2 non-base-building gameplay. I hate base building.
4)Tactics, namely flanking/rear attacks are insane. All units have armor values, front/sides/rear/back, with very low side and rear armor, making it amazingly valuable to flank the enemy during combat.
5)Hard counters for every unit meaning you need a balanced army consisting of 5-7 types of units in order to effectively fight. In DoW, name something that can stop 6 fire prisms. Or 6 assault term squads. DoW units are too versatile, and some are strong vs everything and weak vs nothing.
6)Off map support weapons. God, how many times do I go and try and airstrike or smoke bomb the enemy in DoW? In GC2 you have to keep on the move, or keep your units shielded in an AMS (Anti-Missile shield), or you will be airstriked/graser striked by any competant opponent. This keeps you mobile and on your toes. In DoW, most games have players sitting in one spot waiting to build up.

DoW + GC2 is the perfect game. Give me Dow units and races and combat (the H2H/ranged thing is great and I LOVE it). Use the GC2 style involving no base building. Use the GC2 camera (which has 2 options, the GC2 camera AND the basic RTS/DoW camera). Give bonuses/penalties for flank/rear attacks.

Thing is, its too late in the beta for any of these changes to happen. Threads and issues raised by Relic and myself get flamed to death by TT DoW fanbois who basically say "OMG THIS IS THE BEST RTS GAME OF ALL TIME" (There is actually 3 threads with polls saying isnt dow the best rts of all time). I've almost given up on the game, and will hopefull get all my playing out in beta so i don't have to purchase retail.

[Ikit_Chiken]

I heared a chiken player is part of relic....

I hope he reads this all and has ome influense cause i think you are right to a point. The balance will be fucked up fast in this game

[DrunkenOne]

I heared a chiken player is part of relic....

I hope he reads this all and has ome influense cause i think you are right to a point. The balance will be fucked up fast in this game

Mecha is a Chiken, but like I said I feel this is too many issues for them to adress before release.

[Ikit_Chiken]

Owkeey today i met raziel demon and another demon and mbv tlsc and like 5 more tlsc..............and there is was.......one lonely helpless and defendles chiken by it's self!!!!!!!!!

Owkeey scrap defendless.....

They still new me form hw2 and we teamed up but afther that i had to face them and lost (would you believe it was mij teammate again :D )

Where are the DOW chiks!!!!!

[Justice-TLSC]

TLSC eats chikens in DoW

:P

It's a good game guys; come on, step up the activity! For those of you who liked Starcraft, Warcraft, and HW2, this is a perfect game for you!

[Ikit_Chiken]

Wel they have no more cd keys left so...

Stil intresting trick i learned. Going possesed straigth away....

[Bentusiguru]

heh, you should see some of the Nova Divine people playing

Especially Praxis and Krelog.

Also playstyles are changing now that we're understanding the game mechanics and actually building viable strats.

[BasT]

they got alcohol in the game right? cos if they dont i'm not going back there!

[Snake-Chiken]

still havent played it but it looks like a good game tbh. As for muliplayer I am a bit put off at going in when the game is released to be playing players who have learnt every trick from the beta while I havnt even downloaded the thing and wont as Id prefare the full finished product myself. Dont get me wrong I think the beta is a great Idea but after worlds of warcraft I dont fancy putting major hours into a beta again:-). thus I will wait for a review ( Not gamespot or gayspy :disgusted: ). As for muliplayer when the game is released I will more than likly smurf in for a while but I am betting that with so many keys being gave out and to decent players in rts I dont think Multiplayer is going to last to long as noob bashing aka hw2 & orb & C&C Generals, will more than likely kill the thing before it gets of the ground, for multiplayer anyway. Though you never know there may be something inthere that makes you want to play multiplayer. :beer:

[BasT]

beer? hmmm

[Snake-Chiken]

free beer with muliplayer would work for me:-) Id be on every hour of the day!

[BasT]

i'm thinking more whiskey... personal preference

[Ikit_Chiken]

Wel if we clan up and bawk together on than the game might be fun!!! Had a few games with bast today (nice one bast) and it worked.

Form a team and face other clans!! This way you will not be anoyed by noob teams(mayor noobs around by the way)!!!

Ow and use settings like Gretchiungs(because they are cute!!!) Take and hold(stops campers and gives action) assasination(stops the force commander abuse!!!)to make the game fun and exciting!!

Most only play anihilation with fast ru and start with mayor ru......Games like that take a way all the skill and strategie which all treu gamers love!!!

[MVB-TLSC]

I have a couple keys stored up still; not a lot, but if one or two Chiks I'm familiar with are desperate to get in and can get their hands on an install, I wouldn't mind sharin' out if I've got some left by then.

Despite the bad month or two, I rather like ya'll neway. Don't know if Lazy got it or not, but again, if any Chiks from the older days or whatever are still lookin' for keys, I might be able to help out. MikeyVB = IM.

[FowlPlayChiken]

well, myself, renegadechiken, and my irl buddy ryan will all deff be in dawn of war, since we are all huge fans of 40k. ryan and i have been playing it for ages:-p. i will be camping the stores sept 20? when it releases:-d will see you all online at release date; hopefully the chikens will be a real presence. www.gamespy.com has a ton of stuff on the game; videos, dev chats, ect. check it out. bawwwk!


-fowlplay-


p.s.: vote for me...or dont. lol. oh! and vote for spring! or dont. Lol

[Ikit_Chiken]

Well as far as i can tell Bast and me are the only real fanatic players at this point.

Does any one now by the way if you can make ingame screenshots with DOW.

I wanna start making some team strategies

[BasT]

meh i dont play that much, when i got a hangover i'm usually found there

[Ikit_Chiken]

Yesterday i started playing with orcs and god damn they rock waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!!!

I have played 20 games with em now and i think i only lost 3 or so.......

Orc s rock just over run em!!!!

Still eldar is just................I am not even try ing to play with eldar cause i know they are just to good...

:blob: :blob: :blob: :blob: :blob: :blob: orcs orcs :blob: :blob: :blob: :blob: orcs orcs orcs :blob: :blob: :blob:

[BasT]

i find marines the only team hard to beat :S

[Ikit_Chiken]

Wel i have come to a point that i will not play against eldar any more.

Every one knows it that they have been made to good. Just ridiculous. Hope they fix it cause the way it is going i will not be buying this game.

[renegade_chiken]

eldar are overpowered in the tabletop and if played right cannot be beaten. A full army of saim-hann with crystal targeting matrices will just look around the corner, pop your land raider like a balloon and will just go back into hiding...i just wish they include plague marines in this, plz plz plz or at least typhus so he can pwn some orcs and space marines in the process

[BasT]

i think if the game is successful we could be looking @ a sims type expandition!

[Clepto Chiken]

It would be nice if they could bring in all the other Marine Chapters. I personally like Space Wolves. I have noticed there are no really special items like the board game.

Eldar can be beaten table top, you just have to be sneaky. Assault group can work really well against them.

[Dragonic_Chiken]

i miss salamanders and imperial fists :(

[BasT]

dude why dont you just make the colours! LOL
ya know ya can have custom badges and banners!

[Ikit_Chiken]

Eeey CluckerChiken

When are you gonna join in tha game?

[Justice-TLSC]

this game is so fun

:)

I played a few games with BasT, he's the 1337 rusher.

All of you RTS geeks should try this game, it's so freaking fun. Graphics and death effects are amazing too (if nobody's told you about what happens when a dread spears a soldier right through, you're missing out!)

[Ikit_Chiken]

Wel i just got the panzers demo.

www.panzer.com

Gonna give it a try....afther all those space marines and hw2 space schips i just can not wait to bring havoc with a good old simple tank