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Renegade_ChikenByMarraige
07-04-2004, 05:02 AM
Okay, well this is very distasteful for me to have to do because of the amount of time and effort I have put towards this unit. From the creation of a Unit SOP, SOP Supplement I, the Leaders handbook, & the Leaders handbook (“Training the Lance”) Supplement I. I have invested a multitude of hours to this unit and yet I have had my personal and professional integrity questioned and impugned repeatedly by some members and many that have recently left. All of this, for maintaining a personal relationship outside of this “Game” with a former RGMU member. Yet these same members continuously disobey direct orders and failed to follow RGMU CoC on com’s during drops, both publicly and privately in open forums, as well as lying and intentionally causing conflict within the unit that has directly impacted unit morale and membership. Yet our unit leadership has done nothing but talk to them about it. This lack of leadership has allowed these problems, conflicts and lack of character by some members in the unit to grow to the point that total chaos reigns.

An obvious and ongoing problem is the lack of discipline on the leadership, and all of the members. Arrow is a great guy, however his desire to keep this unit “like a family” has diminished his authority to the point of absence. Like an absentee father, Arrow is physically there, but because of his desire to do “only” the right thing or “nothing at all” creates a vacuum of leadership. This is either resolved when someone jumps in (as is what happened with Cheese Fez before he got frustrated after Arrow reasserted his authority and over ruled many of his actions) or when total chaos overwhelms the unit and something has to happen or the whole thing will fall apart. Only then does something happen and usually it falls short of resolution so there is still remaining underlying tension.

As to the current incident that has driven me to write this post, I feel this must be predicated by some history: My first interaction with RGMU members and the then RGMU member Pixie, was when She and I were waiting on TS2 for any other RGMU members to show for some planned TBR training. Sleep and another of his cadre showed up on com’s together and the first words out of their mouth was “Oh look, there’s the Bitch!”, followed by Sleeps response of “yeah, she f#*king sucks”. As one could expect the conversation went down hill from there. So I think it would be obvious that when these two, and others all made inappropriate commentary about Pixie on open com’s and or servers it has been and continues to be reacted to negatively by her many friends.

These same members have been calling for me to be kicked out for having the audacity to continue any form of relationship, in or out of MW4 with her. They continued to bad mouth me, my integrity, commitment and honesty, as well as my absence’s from RGMU activities over the past 5 months. First all I have to say about commitment and integrity is that over the past 5 months I’ve spent approximately 35 to 40 days total in my own bed, otherwise I’ve been sleeping on the road, in my Tank, in a tent or in the back of my vehicle. Yet I have still managed to make 7 to 9 drops, approximately 25% of the available drops, (based on ComStar Transaction/ Payrole record) and attended our weekly meeting at least a similar number of times. As for my honesty & integrity, well as soon as these specific malcontents have a real understanding of the words then I would enjoy addressing to them the fine detail of the words.

So When Sleep, Gryph and Eccentric all joined “The Way of the Bawk” server and started their typical color commentary I ordered them to stop and follow the CoC. They failed to follow that simple order and questioned my authority and commitment to RGMU and continued their comments about Pixie. A flagrant disregard to the RGMU standards, failure to follow orders, and then worst of all they did so on another teams open server. This displays complete disregard for that unit and their members and a lack of understanding of the words honor and integrity.

I had passed on to Arrow that for this inappropriate conduct, I required a public apology to Pixie, the Chikens as a whole and some form of public “Slap on the wrist” by our leadership to those involved. Five days after the RGMU leadership was informed of my desired resolution I made a post that signified that action needed to happen by noon on Friday. This gave sixty hours to act, yet all that has happened is an interested 3rd party who also reported the incident to Arrow was given an explanation for the “bad Blood” as to why it happened & an apology for where the act took place. Nothing to the unit or to the player verbally attacked and still no corrective action against those who perpetrated the act.

A quote from the RGMU Officers Manual
“All Officers must remember, that they are ambassadors of RGMU at all times, and they have a responsibility to show "unity" to the Enlisted and non-members.
Any disputes between Officers is to be conducted in Private. In public the higher ranking Officer is always right.”

Simple words, but the lack of adherence to this has caused a lot of members to become disenfranchised and fade into obscurity.

So my final action as an Officer in RGMU, and as the ranking RGMU Officer in the server at the time of the incident, is to formally apologize to the Chiken Confederation and my most humble apology to Pixie for the poor conduct of the RGMU members. As for formal punishment against those members in question: I ask the Chiken Confederation to ban SleepWarz, Gryphan, and Eccentric from your server for a period of no less then 6 months. I ask that the MWL leadership also enforce this ban and restrict these players from participating in League drops against the Chiken Confederation. I take this action unilaterally as the senior ranking Officer from RGMU involved. However, my leadership’s lack of action otherwise forces me to submit my resignation from RGMU effective immediately.

DruidChiken
07-04-2004, 02:16 PM
:beer: ----> HERE (http://www.chikens.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=375bf1c68316e38d93929486bab81dec)

BasT
07-04-2004, 02:23 PM
bawk gl with the app :D

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 03:39 PM
good luck renegade

bawk

Mirk_Dread
07-04-2004, 04:20 PM
Renegade and the Chikens:

While I can't apologize for the unit as a whole, I can offer my apologies for having idiots on the RGMU. I have no quarrels with anyone in the chikens and until someone proves that they are boneheads, I treat everyone equally. You guys have given me no reason to treat you unfairly.

Pixie Chicken and Renegade, I hope the both of you have a wonderful life together. Renegade I do hope that you remain with the project we discussed. I am preparing to do something with the idiots that were involved in that incident even if Arrow doesn't.

Again, I can only apologize for myself and can only do what I can on my side. A few bad apples are making the RGMU look bad.

Mark "Mirk Dread" Eakin

GladiatorChiken
07-04-2004, 04:27 PM
bawk

RESPECT

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 05:03 PM
Wow, he's older than Inspector...:D

BAWK

Thanks for the respect RGMU. It means a lot to see that your unit doesn't condone this any more than ours would.

Mirk_Dread
07-04-2004, 05:07 PM
Agreed, i would expect no less for you to hold it against the transgressors

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 05:10 PM
I changed my post. That doesn't mean I changed my mind. I'll be hurting kill ratios and bruising egos (with no trash talk) every time I get the chance.

Mirk_Dread
07-04-2004, 05:13 PM
LOL I'll do my best to blow you apart in game Innocent

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 05:19 PM
:D Sounds like a challenge to me.

I meant I'll be hunting the perps, but hey, I never pass up a good chance to see who frags who first. LOL

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 05:22 PM
By the way, I invaded your forums. :D

Mirk_Dread
07-04-2004, 05:33 PM
NP you are welcomed to post there :dancing:

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 05:39 PM
RPG forums based on RGMU? Downright geeky! LOL :P

One Man Gang
07-04-2004, 06:36 PM
Hails Chikens,
I ask that a blanket not be dropped over the entire roost for the actions of several of the Red Griffins. This is a quote from a posting I dispatched a few minutes ago to Mirk Dread.

"I do not hide the fact that I have a dislike for Tristiana/PixieChiken. I believe that she committed treason against RGMU concerning the transfer of War Room documents to the Midnight Cobras (MNC) prior to our 1st MWL FFP/CNR match. Her actions nearly cost me friendships and that is unforgivable. There were allegations of indiscretions against her before I joined RGMU however those were not of my concern. Tristi DID continue her attacks on RGMU through AoV which perpetuated even more animosity. However those attacks have ceased since she joined the Chikens as they deal with their problem kids swiftly & sternly.

I never cared for the quick assimilation and rise in RGMU ranking that I witnessed by Renegade. I never really talked with him until Primus Maximus was assigned to his lance. I trust my friend's judgment & opinion and decided to make the effort to get to know Renegade. I was very pleased that I did so. I cannot deny that his involvement with Tristi does give me a very uneasy feeling concerning security no matter how much reassurance is given. I sincerely wish things had worked out differently.

I have never done anything to bring disrespect to myself or my name and I hold my integrity above all thus I will not be giving a Black Name by association. I did not allow MNC_Serpent 6, MNC_Loth or MNC_Scythe to do so then nor will I allow this now. "

I am making a public apology to Renegade, Pixie and all the Chikens for the troubles created by a few Red Griffins.

I will also add that Renegade's post on the MWL boards was removed and I will be contacting the MWL Forum's Admins about this as it was wrong to do so. OMG's Complaint (http://www.mechwarriorleagues.com/cgi-bin/comms/forums/ikonboard.cgi?s=40e834777ce7ffff;act=ST;f=8;t=1149 9) (Sorry that only Unit Founders & Leads can read it there.)

I can only hope now that OMG is welcome to participate in "Way of the Bawk" when the need for fun arises. :dancing:

To answer InnocentChiken,
RGMU is aspiring to be a simulation gaming unit in all respects. In the spirit of D&D, this includes "fleshing out" our mech warrior personas. We had plans to join the Planetary League where RPG is part of the game thus we have the "geeky" RPG forums. :discussion:

One Man Gang
07-04-2004, 06:53 PM
I would like to also add that I do not intend to ignore or shun anyone.

I do sincerely wish Pixie & Renegade all the best in their future together.

Once again my apologies.

OMG

Anonymous
07-04-2004, 08:11 PM
Okay, before this thread goes on a tangent, let's reel this in a little.

Thanks for all the apologies to CC as a unit. While they aren't from the guilty party, it does show that you care deeply about the game and about being friends with the other people/clans who play.

I'm a little concerned that we shouldn't air the dirty laundry of our pasts in public. Being overly verbose may expand the issue into more than what it already has encompassed, which is really only an attempt to make excuses for the actions of a couple of people who lack respect (root cause).

Enough has been said. SleepWarz apologized in email to me for the outburst (not for what he said) and I have posted that email in our MW4 Leagues forum so that all the Chikens may read it and hopefully know that a few bad apples don't spoil the whole bushel.

For now, please, let's try and move on. Members of RGMU have been playing on TWOTB since this happened without any hard feelings or ill tempers. It's my sincere hope that this issue is no more than a footnote of a footnote in the grand scheme of our time in MW4.

BAWK

Renegade_ChikenByMarraige
07-04-2004, 10:08 PM
Hailz all and thank you for the supportive feedback that all of you have given. I would also like to dispel some unintentional misinformation that that is out there. I have had the opportunity to discredit the accusation of the act of treason by the then Tristi, to my personal satisfaction, prior to our relationship ever evolving to it’s current level. However I did always wonder how anyone could accuse her of giving up RGMU secrets when she had already been kicked out of the unit when it happened, regardless of who really committed the offense, she was no longer a member of the unit. There should be no worries about a blanket RGMU ban on the chiken server as I cleared the request with the Chiken server admin about it only being applied to those three prior to the post. Also Arrow did not disagree with the punishment I assigned as my last official act when we talked about the post. Finally, I would like to add that after 17 years in the Army working with Tanks my entire career I have gained a certain level of knowledge of real world armored tactic's that I had hoped to apply to the game. After a few drops with the unit I identified some things that were lacking. So I offered to Arrow my help by writing a unit SOP, and some other instructional information drawing on my own personal experience. Soon after I completed them I went from RGT directly to being a LC and an officer. I was honored by the opportunity and the offer. Yes a rapid rise, however I participated in every meeting, practice, and Drops I was allowed to join in, even if I just sat in teamspeak, regardless I was there.

ValkyrieChiken
07-04-2004, 10:19 PM
I have no Idea what goes on behind RGMU doors. I do know what what happened and what was said. It went on for about 2 or 3 minutes and it wasn't just 1 member. I am sure the 20 people in the server thought, "where on earth did that all come from". Now I admit i do not know the circumstances prior to that drop. There was nothing out of the ordinary going on. It was not long into the drop when it happened and then a few others added their comments. If it would have been my server, they would have been banned on the spot. This game has enough problems without this kind of attitude or personal attack. I myself have since played several games with members of RGMU without problems or incedent. At this point in time, there is no appology that is worthy to be spoken. Alot of time has passed without a meaningful jesture. If one is said, its due to the fact that pressure is building and it needed to be said to satisfy someone elses wants.

I do not hold grudges against RGMU. If team kills start to register on my team AND certain RGMU members are getting killed, I'll take getting the boot everytime on certain people. If they have to come into our server and publicly humiliate and disrespect our people, they don't deserve to be there. Alot of people sit and wait, clicking refresh trying for one of the cherished slots in TWOTB. Let people in who will appreciate the admin people who do the work, the use of the computer to host the games, and he fun that can be had in the best server on the list.

*sigh*

DysedChiken
07-04-2004, 10:29 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please, keep the airing of dirty laundry and the flame off the post. We have few rules regarding posts in Chiken but as a forum admin I feel compelled to warn you that if this degrades I am going to lock the thread.

I understand that emotions run high in the matter and I also have the interests of Pixie to consider as she is one of Chiken's own.

I would appreciate it if you all could remember she is no longer RGMU but a Chiken in good standing and above reproach based on her current actions. I futher appreciate you are all entitled to your opinion but you are talking about one my own teammates and clanmates so let the past go and go on the basis of what she has done here-please?

I am sorry that things didn't work out for her in her previous units but she has been an awesome clanmate here and as such deserves the respect of her tags and position here as a full member.

As a member of council I am content to allow Moocher to administer his servers to the best of his abilities. This matter was done by a select few of the RGMU and as such I am also content to leave it wear it is with a banning of the people involved and not the entire unit.

Renegade, what can I say. I am sorry that your leaderships inactivity has caused you to leave a unit you loved. I hope that you find something to your liking and that your endeavours are as successful as they can be.

BAWK!age,

DysedChiken

SmegSniffer
07-05-2004, 12:53 AM
Once again some one has to drag up the past to put a drama spin on something that should have been forgotten already, seems to me this treason happened because a few members were treating Tristy like Crap while she was a member of RMGU.

MNC, RGMU and SLP had an Allied agreement that we would not recruit or take on members from are unit’s who left, that agreement was broken when OMG Joined RGMU

Now the documents that I received were nothing more than OMG telling RG what the MNC play style was at the time and are probable tactics which any one could have found out by dropping into a server with us, now I was a member of there forums and had allied status so I had threads marked and was following discussions! Even after my allied status was revoked I kept getting e-mails from the forum at which time I told arrow about it.

Now as far as calling that treason that like the pot calling the kettle black
SmegSniffer
1st Lt
Company Comander alpha

RGMU_Eccentric
07-05-2004, 08:04 AM
Before this goes too far, let's clarify something.

I was on the server at the time this went on. While I will not make any comment condonimg or condemning the actions of my teammates, I would like it noted that apparently "guilt by association" is running rampant in this little rant.

While i did joke a bit while I was in there, I said nothing of an insulting or offensive nature. If you believe otherwise, please state what I said that you felt to be of that nature. And if we are going to trash people, let's at least make a token attempt at keeping the facts straight.

Renegade_ChikenByMarraige
07-05-2004, 05:23 PM
Yes Eccentric you are correct, I was mistaken in my post. I do apologize for not clarifying that I was asking for Sleep and Gryphan to be banned, not you. I have said that your comments were directed to Mooch in a joking conversation initiated by him and was directed specifically about his comments. At the time I wrote my resignation I failed to clearly convey my thoughts in regards to your participation. I do apologize for my error and will contact the Bawk server admin to ensure that you were not banned. Once again I am sorry for this failure on my part.

TaintedChiken
07-06-2004, 03:24 AM
I think that it is time we drew this thread to a close gents. Everything that can be said or will be said productively has already been said.